Tuesday, December 16, 2008

Daily Telegraph: Bible-bushing

Daily Telegraph: Bible-bushing

How wonderful to be able to lay these charges at Christianity's door. What more evidence could you possible want for keeping God out of politics? Ok... Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, the Middle East generally, Northern Ireland, and Bosnia... but apart from that?

How frustrating, then, to learn that Bush is not the rigid, fanatical, Darwin-trashing, Bible-bashing fundamentalist we had all assumed. Apparently, he is not convinced that God wanted him to be president. He believes "there is an almighty that is broad and big enough and loving enough that can encompass a lot of people" (rather than just conservative evangelical Americans). God did not tell him to go to war in Iraq but, rather, he based his decision "upon the need to protect the American people from harm". He does not think evolution and the Christian faith are incompatible.

by Nick Spencer


Glenn W said...

Hi Matthew,

The reason Nick Spencer, and so many other journalists, is surprised is that he never bothered to do any research. President Bush is a member of the United Methodist Church (UMC) which is one of the most liberal denominations in the United States. I suppose that compared to the UMC leadership he would be considered extremely conservative but that is not saying much.

The UMC and other of the so called "mainline denominations" will probably be historical footnotes by the beginning of the next century (they are hemorrhaging members at a rapid pace) in the United States. This is kind of sad considering that John Wesley (the founder of "methodism") was a great man.


Celestial Fundie said...

Glenn, nice to see you again.

I think Nick Spencer was accusing left-wing critics of Bush of sloppy research as you say.

One has to be careful of John Wesley. His preaching was very Lordship-Salvation orientated and he believed that one could be born again and then go into everlasting punishment.

Every Blessing in Christ


Glenn W said...


I agree with your assessment of John Wesley. I don't believe that he was correct in all that he taught. I know that he was Arminian in his soteriology which I strongly disagree with. On the other hand, he was a powerful influence on American Christianity (I would have to check but I believe he was influential in the great awakening in the American colonies) and some great believers came out of the methodist movement.

The thing that is sad to me is that, while I disagree with some of what Wesley taught, all of the truth he did teach has been thrown away by those who lay claim his legacy.