Thursday, October 02, 2008

Times: Russian admits massacre of the Tsar and his family was a Bolshevik crime

Times: Russian admits massacre of the Tsar and his family was a Bolshevik crime

This is excellent news.

11 comments:

Only Look said...

>The Lord's anger burned against Moses.<

Moses was also a temporary pillar upholding conditional requirements in the Old Covenant. This is another reason why OT believers had to rest in Abrahams bosom until Jesus said "It Is Finished!"

God's wrath has been satisfied upon man at the cross, and will only further be satisfied on man if he chooses not to go to the cross in faith.

The Law was given by Moses but Grace and truth came from Jesus brother.

All of the requirements of the law and the wrath of God were settled at the cross. There exists no more wrath for the believer and He chastens us in love alone as believers.

I believe that He will allow his believers to face the tribulation that will serve to purge and further sanctify as the book of Daniel points out, but never the wrath of God. To think that believers will now face God's wrath is to mingle law with grace and that we know is impossible:-)

Grace is an entirely different entity than the law altogether.

Grace upon grace,

Brian

Celestial Fundie said...

Abraham was justified by faith. Was not Moses?

Only Look said...

Indeed he was, but like the Levitical priesthood had its temporal duties to fulfill and while many of them were saved by faith yet their sacrifices are no more acceptable, so too Moses had his duty that fell short of the glory of God, yet was saved by faith and serves as a picture to all generations that where all of these failed, Jesus did not fail any of these coming from Judah, which things Moses spake nothing of, and His work is complete and sufficient.

Grace upon grace,

Brian

Only Look said...

BTW, thank you for allowing me to post here as I remember your invitation to come here since being banned from your team blog in light of the partnership that exists there.

Grace upon grace,

Brian

Celestial Fundie said...

You are welcome to come here.

If he was justified, he surely had a righteous standing with God as we do.

How could he be under wrath, but not those presently justified?

Only Look said...
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Only Look said...

>If he was justified, he surely had a righteous standing with God as we do.<

Amen!

>How could he be under wrath, but not those presently justified?<

I believe the Bible clearly points out that the whole world was under wrath, including those in Abraham's bosom prior to the cross. In the Garden of Gethsemane and as Jesus sweat great drops of blood, the wrath that was pointed toward Moses that he was at the time temporarily and incompletely bearing on behalf of Israel, when he refused to fulfill the law by circumcising his child, pivoted onto Jesus and was satisfied in Jesus' and He in his ultimate own realization of it there when he cried out, "My God! My God! Why have you forsaken me."

And as he drew his last breath justice was satisfied not only for Israel but for all mankind and all who were waiting for this event began to resurrect soon to be ascended with Christ as His fellow ascended ones in completion after the resurrection.

We are all now His resurrection life when we believe and pass through the portal of the cross and are resurrected in His resurrection. Our incarceration in this wretched body of death fully ends at our physical death and the number of saints will all die and be complete during the great tribulation. The wrath of God breaks forth in the six seal and no believer is any longer upon the earth after all the saints have cried out to God in the fifth seal asking "How long?" and then final and complete justice will be consummated upon the earth and all living and dead at that time who have not come to the cross will be cast into eternal damnation. No believer will be on the earth at this time during the sixth seal. Only Satan and his minions found in the fellow rebellious angels and those humans that rejected Christ who were not originally appointed to wrath as Satan and his angels are, will face the wrath of God.

Grace upon grace,

Brian

Only Look said...

Abraham believed and it was "credited" to him.

We believe and Christ's finished work is fully imputed to us and paid in full.

The "sin' credit card debt has been paid in full at the cross. Abraham no longer has to wait for payment and we experience full payment when we in faith make the transaction at the cross.

again, Grace upon grace,

Brian

Celestial Fundie said...

"I believe the Bible clearly points out that the whole world was under wrath, including those in Abraham's bosom prior to the cross."

That seems to be a different kind of wrath.

When we speak about God's anger burning against Moses, we speak of his own personal relationship, rather than his status as one under Adam.

Your view of OT justification seems rather confusing.

You seem to be saying OT saints were 'sort of justified', but not really justified.

Only Look said...

I am saying that their justification had not been worked out and completed by Christ alone yet. Of course they were kept under his umbrella of protection, but until Christ died, God the Father was not satisfied. He would tell Israel in Dueteronomy that the same pleasure he would love them with if they kept the conditional blessing agreement would be the same pleasure and wrath that he would hunt them down and pour out his wrath upon them with during the exiles.

That is no longer. He now chastens us out of love to work together both for his good and ours. Justice has been satisfied and Jesus ever liveth and maketh intercession for us instead of Moses who would change God's mind over conditional agreements with Israel.

The mind of God is fully satisfied in Jesus. It is whole and complete and totally unconditional toward His children. Consider if you will.

Grace upon grace,

Brian

Only Look said...

God had to take humanity and Israel as the focal point to help us understand the differance between a conditional covenant and an unconditional one. The clear differance between Old wine and New and that you cannot mix the two.

The New Wine broke forth at the cross and is irreversable.

Remember when God told Moses to leave him alone and that he would strike Israel dead and continue his covenant with Moses?

Moses represents that very person that is kept in Christ yet still insufficient to bear the weight of the law and everyone else is cut off as foreskin around him. It is why the promise lies behind the veil for all who believe and why the veil remains to this day for those who trust in the law.

Those who still trust in the law(their own merits) and try tocome to the feast without a robe of Christ righteousness will be the only ones cast into outer darkness to face the wrath of God. To say that a believer clothed in Christ's righteousness deserves to go through millenial wrath is to confuse the message and make it appear as though Christ deserves to still face the wrath of God.

It is impossible for any believer to face any more wrath from God.

It is finished.

I agree on the chastening part and that out of love, but not the millennial wrath of God part.

Trust Him that you can do nothing to make Him love you anymore that He already does in Christ. He loves you with an everlasting love. There is no level of performance you can attain that will make Him love you anymore than He already does as He loves you as much as He loves Jesus.

Grace upon grace,

Brian