Saturday, May 06, 2006

Unashamed of Grace: How Much Information is Really Needed?

Unashamed of Grace: How Much Information is Really Needed?

Excellent post by Antonio (remember him?).

15 comments:

Kitty Cheng said...

Matthew, thanks for directing us to the post from Antonio. I have the following comment to him:

Romans 10:9-10,'if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.'

I have the same concern as sofyst, if we only believe in the name of Jesus and don't believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead, then we won't be saved, hence Jesus' death and resurrection are paramount to the gospel message.

What do you think?

Antonio said...

Kitty Cheng, thank you for your response! I love the interaction. Can I ask you a question?

For a second, let us disregard the context of what Paul is saying in Romans chapters 9-11.

Catholics, Mormons, and many other cults believe that Jesus "is Lord" and also that "God raised Him from the dead".

Are the Catholics and Mormons going to heaven by virtue of their beliefs that Jesus is Lord and that God raised Him from the dead?

Also, I don't disagree that Jesus' death and resurrection are paramount to the gospel message, in all reality, they ARE the gospel message. But what is the PURPOSE of the gospel message? It is the good news of what Jesus has done for us. But many people of many different "Christian" traditions believe that gospel message and are on their way to hell. Why? Because the way to receive eternal life is by believing in Christ's promise to give you eternal life by your faith in Him.

Although these Christian-esque denominations may or may not have orthodox doctrines and Christology, they are not completely entrusting their eternal destinies to Jesus, the Christ. They may believe orthodox doctrines and Christology, but they also believe that works are indispensible to reaching heaven.

I hope these are a few things for you to chew on.

God bless you!

Antonio

Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

Kitty, it is very unlikely that soembody who rejected the resurrection could be saved.

However, the Samaritan woman in John 4 was ignorant of the Resurrection of Christ and yet was offered eternal life.

It is vital to understand that Romans 10 deals with the whole process of salvation, which includes more than just the offer of eternal life. If it were otherwise, then we would be justified by confessing Christ, thus making salvation by works.

God Bless

Matthew

Jenson's Blog said...

If that is the case, how little information is really needed?

Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

A person needs to believe that Jesus freely offers eternal life. This is all that is involved in appropriating the accomplished work of Christ.

God Bless

Matthew

Jenson's Blog said...

I agree to some extent... some questions...

From your definition - is that what the "Non-Lordship" salvation teachers teach?

Another question - Why does such a person need Jesus?

Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

Jenson,
Firstly, Free Grace advocates affirm the vital importance of Christ's Lordship in the Christian life and in sanctification, which is a part of our salvation.

Zane Hodges would affirm this, but less consistent Free Grace advocates like Robert Lightner would not.

A person needs to believe in Jesus Christ for eternal life because he or she is dead in trespasses and sin and has no hope for eternity without Christ.

Such a person need not understand their sinful and wretched condition. All she needs to know to appropriate life in Christ is that she has eternal life through Jesus Christ but would not have it without Him.

Every Blessing in Christ

Matthew

Jenson's Blog said...

"Such a person need not understand their sinful and wretched condition."

- Amazing! From your answer, I can see why the "Free Grace" folks have been criticised.

Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

Indeed.

That said, it is vitally important to make clear the reality of sin.

The sooner a person comes to understand their sin and turns from it, the better.

A believer will never make progress in the Christian life until she comes to acknowledge her sin and repents of it.

Every Blessing in Christ

Matthew

Jenson's Blog said...

"A believer will never make progress in the Christian life until she comes to acknowledge her sin and repents of it."

- agreed. Likewise, an unbeliever will never be converted until she comes to acknowledge her sin and repents of it.

Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

No, I do not think that is a Scriptural conclusion. Repentance is never identified as a condition for receiving eternal life.

God Bless

Matthew

Jenson's Blog said...

Are you sure...

Is that what Zane Hodges teaches?

Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

Yes.

Antonio said...

Might I add that is what the Bible teaches.

Antonio

Dyspraxic Fundamentalist said...

Of course, Antonio.